Release Date: February 11, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you provide insights into the fourth quarter fuel distribution results and early 2025 outlook, especially considering the lack of volatility in gasoline and diesel prices? Also, how might tariffs impact your business? A: Austin Harkness, Senior Vice President - Pricing, Optimization and Supply and Trading, noted that the fourth quarter was strong despite following two record quarters. The macro environment remains constructive, with elevated breakevens and signs of demand recovery. Joseph Kim, CEO, added that higher tariffs could lead to higher prices, benefiting Sunoco due to its strong track record in inflationary periods. Volatility presents opportunities, and they remain confident in their 2025 guidance.
Q: Could you elaborate on the growth CapEx of at least $400 million and its expected cadence? A: Karl Fails, Chief Operations Officer, explained that growth CapEx is primarily for optimization and new customer sign-ups, with flexibility to adjust based on opportunities. The time between capital spend and cash flow realization is relatively short, supporting continued growth and DCF per common unit increases.
Q: What is your outlook on refined product demand across your assets, considering recent bullish comments from refining management teams? A: Joseph Kim, CEO, expressed a bullish long-term view on refined products, noting that over 90% of transportation energy comes from them. Despite energy transition headlines, refined products will continue to fuel the economy for decades, and Sunoco is well-positioned to capitalize on this.
Q: Can you provide more details on the Pipeline segment's recent volume uplift and related EBITDA increase? A: Karl Fails, Chief Operations Officer, highlighted strong fourth-quarter performance due to higher volumes and MVC contributions. The absence of major refinery downtime and seasonal agricultural demand contributed to the uplift. They view the segment as a strong future contributor.
Q: Regarding distribution growth, what has changed since December to now include "at least" 5% growth? A: Joseph Kim, CEO, emphasized their confidence in maintaining a stable and growing distribution, supported by consistent DCF per common unit growth. The "at least" 5% growth reflects their confidence in business fundamentals and accretive growth, with 5% as the floor for 2025 and a multiyear increase plan.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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